How to stop China and Indias increasing demand for coal?

olap · 21st November 2007, 18:54

What is the best we can do today?
I really think burning of coal is a threat and appreciate if we can start a discussion about this.

listenin · 22nd November 2007, 07:24

Well olap, I don’t like to see any topic of genuine concern for our one environment go by without a response. I’ll toss this out to the board:

Arms, legs, livers and slavery are all proven renewable sources of energy.

sturmovic · 22nd November 2007, 14:45

You cannot stop it, and no government even seriously wants to.

What GP wants to do s either bind China and India with a treaty (which they will either never sign, or twist its meaning to not hinder the industries), or get other countries to put pressure on them (which countries cant and wont do seriously).

The best you can do is have a successful propaganda campaign in those countries to get some public opinion behind GP.

listenin · 22nd November 2007, 17:24

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Originally Posted by sturmovic

You cannot stop it, and no government even seriously wants to.

What GP wants to do s either bind China and India with a treaty (which they will either never sign, or twist its meaning to not hinder the industries), or get other countries to put pressure on them (which countries cant and wont do seriously).

The best you can do is have a successful propaganda campaign in those countries to get some public opinion behind GP.

That seems an outside perspective. There is also 'inside' perspectives, in this case, on topic, specifically those of China and India.

With practice not choosing to favor either inside or outside perspectives becomes habit for some people.

Value in all 6,632,815,079 current human perspectives can be found

if

choice is made to look.

sturmovic · 22nd November 2007, 17:47

Perpective?
No opinon in my post, only facts on what is going on.

listenin · 22nd November 2007, 17:50

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Perpective?
No opinon in my post, only facts on what is going on.

Go on about sturmovic then if that is your only contribution.

Moderators, I think we need some intervention here.

olap · 22nd November 2007, 18:53

Thanks listenin and sturmovic for the responses !

One thing about this I use to wonder about, is if we can get politicians (in developed countries) to support in large scale renewable energy like windpower, solarpower etc. (Preferable in the mentioned countries) it is maybe possible that these kind of energy can anytime soon be cheaper than coal. Then when we reach this step I believe the use of coal can (will) fade away. How important is this strategy or is it not possible to compete with coal in price in the near future?

When I have surfed the web for information I think these kind of things for solar power is especially interesting.

http://www.nanosolar.com/

Maybe this kind of technology (nano technology) can be super-cheap in the near future.
I believe I'm just dreaming but I'm not sure.

(Excuse for my bad language. I'm not talking english in my home country. But the important thing must be that you can follow me)

sturmovic · 22nd November 2007, 19:13

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Originally Posted by olap

One thing about this I use to wonder about, is if we can get politicians (in developed countries) to support in large scale renewable energy like windpower, solarpower etc.

Youre in luck. Thanks to the whole new "Green" fad, politicians are all now nature-loving, and new wind, wave, nuclear and solar plants are popping up all over the place.

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(Preferable in the mentioned countries) it is maybe possible that these kind of energy can anytime soon be cheaper than coal. .

Not anytime soon. Very cheap, coal. Oil, maybe.

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Originally Posted by olap

(How important is this strategy or is it not possible to compete with coal in price in the near future?

In some sectors and areas. Renewables will proliferate more in countries with stringent ecological standards, while coal will still power the heavy industry of the planet. But who knows? Energy is a very unstable market, things might change in under a decade.

listenin · 22nd November 2007, 19:54

I have limited confidence in government intervention, olap. Total immersion in the "please and thank you" language of politics is entirely human centric, which is globicidal (suicidal).

The human population of Home Earth is now 6,632,837,243

olap · 22nd November 2007, 19:59

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Originally Posted by sturmovic

Not anytime soon. Very cheap, coal. Oil, maybe.

So it seems that it can be even more important that the coal industry now introduce 'methods' that decrease the CO2 emissions...

For example somthing like this

http://www.whatsnextnetwork.com/tech...deep_coal_seam

All this is not only about technology. If people are not well-educated enough they will never accept new technology... So education must be an important link in the chain. So maybe in the first place let's begin with teaching politicians and people in these countries...?